jimmy carl black

(* 1938/02/01  + 2008/11/01)

Jimmy Carl Black, born James Inckanish Jr., Feb. 1, 1938 in El Paso Texas, was the drummer for the original Mothers Of Invention line-up - known as "the Indian of the group". JCB provided drums and vocal for the first 8 MOI releases, as well as the 200 Motels release. Once the original MOI was disbanded, Jimmy appeared on other Zappa releases: You Are What You Is, You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 1, You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 4, You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 5, You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 6, Ahead Of Their Time, The Lost Episodes, Mystery Disc, and Joe's Corsage. He also provides drums and vocals for the Beat The Boots series disks The Ark (BTB), 'Tis The Season To Be Jelly (BTB), Electric Aunt Jemima (BTB), and Our Man In Nirvana (BTB).

From the "biographical trivia" section on the Freak Out! (1966) album: ... Moved into my recording studio, joined forces with Ray, Jim and Roy, schemed and plotted for a year, working in beer joints, blah, blah, starved a lot, etc... played a lot of freaky music & stayed vastly unpopular (though notorious). OWE OUR EXISTENCE to Mark Cheka for his initial encouragement and sterling example (and to a whole bunch of other people who are going to be bugged because their names aren't listed in detail, with addresses and pertinent facts about what they like about the government & their other fetishes). Ray used to be a carpenter and a bartender and sing with Little Julian Herrera & The Tigers (note the falsetto part in 'I REMEMBER LINDA')... been singing R&B for ten to twelve years. Jim got fired from some idiot band in Kansas, forcing him to move to California. Lucky for us. Seems he just couldn't get turned on playing " Louie, Louie" all night... it must have hurt him deeply when they rejected him. Roy is an asthmatic Pachuco, good-natured excellent bass player, involved in the R&B scene here for about ten years. He is unbelievably tolerant. I don't understand it. Elliot digs the blues. He has a big dimple in his chin. We made him grow beard to cover it up. He just got out of the Army. Lucky for the Army. THEY ARE ALL MUSICIANS.

From the "Freak Out With The Grandmothers" tour booklet:
Jimmy Carl Black: "Born James Inckanish jr., Feb. 1, 1938 in El Paso Texas.  Had a very nice childhood.  In 1958 I changed my name to Jimmy Carl Black.  I recorded my first single in 1962 with a band called
the Keys.  In 1964 moved to california and met Roy Estrada and Ray Collins and had a band called the Soul GiantsFrank Zappa joined the band and a month later said "If you guys will play my music I'll make you rich and famous."  In 1970 I formed a band called Geronimo Black with Bunk Gardner.  Two albums and many bands in the 70's.  In 1980 Bunk Gardner, Don Preston and myself formed the first Grandmothers.  Toured Europe and the States for two years.  Released two albums.  In the 80's many bands.  In 1993 we got back together and since then it's been gangbusters."

July 2002 and 2003, Jimmy Carl Black performed at the Zappanale festival in Bad Doberan, Germany.

December 2006, Zjakki Willems invited Jimmy Carl Black, Steven de Bruyn and Jos Steen into the Marconi Studio of Radio One in Brussels. The recordings of this Black Brown Stone trio were broadcast every monday of february during Zjakki's "Cucamonga" radio show.

The complete recordings can be found on Jos Steen's "Black Bown Stone", a private CDR release.

 

Black Brown Stone

 

  1. the devil’s music
  2. the meeting with the devil
  3. sad glad
  4. heaven blues

 

Jimmy Carl Black passed away on November 1, 2008.

2010 saw the release of "Don't Be Sad - Be Happy!", a flip book.

  • "Don't Be Sad - Be Happy"
         (2010, flip book, germany, private release / 100 copies)

November 7, 2012, Bobby Marquis aired "The Jimmy Carl Black Story" on CKCU-FM, Ottowa's community radio station. 
Part two, broadcast on 2012/11/14, featured an interview with Moni Black.

Sigrun Köhler und Wiltrud Baier's made a documentary about Jimmy Carl Black entitled "Where's the Beer and when do we get paind?".

The movie is scheduled to appear in cinemas next November.

"WHERE'S THE BEER AND WHEN DO WE GET PAID?"

 Warum lebt Jimmy Carl Black, der legendäre Schlagzeuger von Frank Zappas "Mothers of Invention", in einem kleinen bayrischen Dorf?

"The Indian of the Group" kann kaum Deutsch und wird in schönstem Bayrisch mit "Servus, Mr. Black!" begrüßt. Vom Höpflinger Bahnhof aus tourt der 70-Jährige im besten Rentenalter als Schlagzeuger und Sänger durch Europa und muss seit vierzig Jahren immer wieder die gleichen alten Zappa-Platten signieren.

"Don't ask me, what the sound is. You have to hear it!" Als er mit siebzehn Jahren bei einem Elvis-Konzert die Mädchen reihenweise in Ohnmacht fallen sah, wußte er, daß er Musiker werden wollte. Reich ist er dabei nicht geworden.
"To tell you the truth, I don't like to play the drums that much anymore.
It's too hard a work, man. But I need the money." 
Die letzten 2 Jahre seines Lebens bis zu seinem Tod im Jahr 2008 haben die Filmemacherinnen Jimmy Carl Black im bayrischen Höpfling und bei seinen Auftritten mit der Kamera begleitet. Black, der seine Krebserkrankung mit polterndem Humor überspielt, begibt sich auf eine große Amerikatournee, die ihn noch einmal in seine Heimatstadt El Paso führt.

Ein Internationaler Heimatfilm über Sex, Drugs, Rock'n'Roll und keine Rente.

http://www.wheresthebeer.de/

Im September 2013 kommt "WHERE'S THE BEER AND WHEN DO WE GET PAID" ins Kino.

 

"For Mothers Sake", the book that tells Jimmy Carl Black's story, got published late 2013. The book got compiled from the various interview tapes that Roddie Gilliard recorded during Jimmy Carl's touring with The Muffin Men, texts from Jimmy Carl Black's website and from various interviews.

 

 

 

 

discography

the keys: stretch pants / just a matter of time
    (1962, 7", usa, ??) - feat.jc black
 
1 the mothers of invention: freak out!
    (1966, 2lp, usa, verve)

2 the mothers of invention: absolutely free
    (1967, lp,usa, verve)
3 the mothers of invention: we're only in it for the money
   (1967, lp, usa, verve)

4 frank zappa: lumpy gravy
   (1967, lp, usa, verve)

5 the mothers of invention: cruising with ruben & the jets
   (1968, lp, usa, verve)

6 the mothers of invention: mothermania
   (1969, lp, usa, verve)

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  gto's: permanent damage (1)
    (1969, lp, usa, bizarre 73397 - straight sts 1059) - produced by frank zappa / feat.ian underwood, don preston, roy estrada, jc black, frank zappa

7 the mothers of invention: uncle meat
   (1969, 2lp, usa, bizarre)

9

the mothers of invention: burnt weeny sandwich
   (1970, lp, usa, bizarre)

10

the mothers of invention: weasels ripped my flesh
   (1970, lp, usa, bizarre)

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frank zappa: 200 motels
   (1971, 2lp, usa, united artists)

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1 geronimo black: geronimo black  (1)
    (1972, lp, universal city recs) - feat. various ex-mothers of invention

  jimmy carl black: raps about geronimo black
    (1972, 7"-pro, usa, mca 1914) (ps)
 
  geronimo black: let us live / '59 chevy
    (
1972, 7"-pro, usa, uni 55339)

  geronimo black: '59 chevy / let us live
    (1972, 7", new zealand, mca records mc/s 6145)

  nolan: no apologies
    (1971, lp, usa, lizard) - feat. jimmy carl black, roy estrada, lowell george

  nolan: nolan
    (1972, lp, usa, abc records) - feat. jimmy carl black, roy estrada, lowell george
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big sonny and the lo boys: in heat (1)
    (1979, lp, usa, con safos records cs-4100) - feat.jimmy carl black 
 
big sonny and the lo boys: love me two times / love potion #9
   
(1979, 7", usa, con safos records cs 4101) - feat.jimmy carl black
 
  big sonny and the lo boys: play your music / funny money
    (1979, 7", usa, ??) - feat.jimmy carl black
 
2 geronimo black: welcome back (2)
    (1980, lp, usa, helios recs) - feat. various ex-mothers of invention

  jimmy carl black: albuquerque bound / thank you, mr.bill
    (1980, 7", usa, helios records hr-445-6) (ps)
 
the grandmothers: grandmothers (1)
    (1981, lp, ger, line records 6.24636 ap) - feat. various ex-moi

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  the grandmothers: fan club talk lp (2)
    (1981, lp, us, panda 001)

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3 jimmy carl black: clearly classic (3)
    (1981, lp, usa, inkanish 5504)
 
34 frank zappa: you are what you is
   (1981, 2lp, usa, barking pumpkin)

  the grandmothers: lookin' up granny's dress  (3)
    (1982, lp, us, rhino records  rnlp 804) - feat. various ex-moi; incl.zappa compositions

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steve terell: picnic time for potatoheads
    (1982, lp, usa, ??) - feat. jc black
 
4 jimmy carl black and the mannish boys: a lil'dab'l do ya (4)
    (1987, lp, usa, amazing am-1013) - incl.'big leg emma'  (frank zappa)

51 frank zappa: you can't do that on stage anymore vol.1
   (1988, 2cd, usa, ryko)

arthur brown & jimmy carl black: brown, black & blue
    (1988, cd, usa, blue wave) - re-released on cd in 1991
austin lounge lizards: highway cafe of the damned
    (1988, cd, usa, watermelon 1001) - feat. jc black
 
eugene chadbourne: chadbourne baptist church
    (1990, k7, usa, chadbourne products) - feat. jimmy carl black
 

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frank zappa: you can't do that on stage anymore vol.4
   (1991, 2cd, usa, ryko)  
  the mothers of invention: the ark
    (1991, cd, usa, rhino foo-eee records r2 70538)
  the mothers of invention: 'tis the season to be jelly
    (1991, cd, usa, rhino foo-eee records r2 70542)
  zappa / mothers: electric aunt jemima
    (1991, cd, usa, rhino foo-eee records r2 71019)
  zappa / mothers: our man in nirvana
    (1991, cd, usa, rhino foo-eee records r2 71022)
henry vestine: guitar ganster
    (1991, cd, usa, ??) - feat. jimmy carl black
 
arthur brown & jimmy carl black: brown, black & blue
    (1988, cd, usa, blue wave) - re-released on cd in 1991

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frank zappa: you can't do that on stage anymore vol.5
   (1992, 2cd, usa, ryko)
  jimmy carl black: geronimo black speaks - 1992 interview
    (1992, k7, usa, electrik yak 007) = interview for "ptolemaic terrascope"
 
59 frank zappa: you can't do that on stage anymore vol.6
   (1992, 2cd, usa, ryko)
  ant-bee: with my favourite "mothers" and other bizarre muzik
    (1992, k7, usa, electrik yak 003) - cover drawing by cal schenkel / feat. gardner, preston, black, snyder

  jimmy carl black: geronimo black speaks again - 1992 interview
    (1992, k7, usa, electrik yak 008) = interview for "t'mershi duween"
 
the grandmothers: dreams on long play (4)
    (1993, cd, ger, muffin records cdm 002) - feat.jc black  /  this is the 'original version'

the grandmothers: a mother of an anthology
    (1993, cd, us, one way records ow 28880)  = compilation + extra tracks  

  ant-bee: snorks and wheezes
    (1993, k7, usa, electrik yak) - feat.bunk gardner, don preston, jc black, motorhead sherwood

  ant-bee: the *#!%%? of ant-bee - rarities vol.3
    (1993, k7, usa, electrik yak records 009) - feat.bunk gardner, don preston, jc black, motorhead sherwood

don preston: vile foamy ectoplasm (1)
    (1993, cd, ger, muffin records muffin cdmr 003) - feat. ex-moi and ex-zappa bandmembers 
 
  jimmy carl black: speak'n at ya!
   (1993, k7, usa, electrik yak records letc 3)  = a reissue  + some additional music
 
  jimmy carl black and the grandmothers: the / brave combo: skin
    (1993, 7”flexi, usa, eva-tone soundsheet)
 
eugene chadbourne: 10 most wanted
    (1993, k7, usa, chadbourne products) – incl. van vliet and zappa compositions; feat ex-moi
 

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zappa / mothers: ahead of their time (61)
   (1993, cd, usa, ryko)
the muffin men: say cheese and thank you (2)
    (1993, cd, ger, muffin records cdmr 004) – incl. various frank zappa compositions; feat.jimmy carl black

the grandmothers: who could imagine (5)
    (1994, cd, nl, munich records netcd 53) - feat. various ex-moi; incl.zappa & beefheart compositions

  ant-bee: the bizarre german e.p.
    (1994, 7", ger, lollipop shop bouncing splash 8) - feat.bunk gardner, don preston, jc black

  ant-bee: with my favorite "vegetables" and other bizarre music
    (1994, cd, uk, divine records divine 3) - feat.motorhead, black, gardner, estrada, preston, snyder

eugene chadbourne & jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: locked in a dutch coffeeshop
    (1994, cd, uk, fundamental rec) - feat.don preston /
incl. van vliet compositions

the muffin men: mülm (3)
    (1994, cd, ger, muffin records cdmr 012) – incl. various frank zappa compositions; feat. zappa alumni

  eugene chadbourne: overpopulation and art / night of the living dead / jicarillo fence dispute
    (1994, 7", usa, thicker records t-003) - feat. jimmy carl black

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  the grandmothers: dreams on long play
    (1995, cd, usa, muffin records) - feat.jc black  /  re-recorded, remixed version with new cover

  snarfel: thirty years of andy cahan
    (1995, cd, usa, hamana records) - feat. various ex-moi

sandro oliva: who the fuck is sandro oliva ?!?
    (1995, cd, usa, muffin records mrp015)
- feat. various ex-moi; incl.'mr.green genes' (frank zappa)

  ant-bee: lunar muzik
    (1995, cd, uk, divine records divine 20) - feat. gardner, preston, black, estrada, sherwood, bob harris

eugene chadbourne & jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show pachuco cadaver
    (1995, cd, usa, fireant) - incl. van vliet and zappa compositions

  various artists: wavelength infinity - a sun ra tribute
    (1995, 2cd, usa, rastascan)

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farrell & black: cataract jump
    (1996, cd, ger, fritz records fr 952014-1) – incl. ‘road ladies’ (frank zappa)
 
  jimmy carl black: when do we get paid (5)
    (1996, cd, uk, devine records devine 50 cd)
 

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frank zappa: the lost episodes
   (1996, cd, usa, ryko)
tom shaka with jimmy carl black and lars-luis linek: blues magic
    (1996, cd, usa, ??)
 

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frank zappa: have i offended someone?
   (1997, cd, usa, ryko)

the muffin men: frankincense (5)
    (1997, cd, eec, muffin records cdmrp 054) – incl. various frank zappa compositions, feat.jimmy carl black

eugene chadbourne: chadbourne barber shop
    (1997, k7, usa, chadbourne) - feat. jimmy carl black
 
the muffin men: muffinz (6)
    (1998, cd, eec, muffin records cd 056) – incl. frank zappa and van vliet compositions, feat.jimmy carl black

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frank zappa: mystery disc
   (1998, cd, usa, ryko)

  behind the mirror & jimmy carl black: cockroach albert (2)
    (1998, cd, ger, placebo) - incl. various frank zappa compositions

the muffin men: god shave the queen (8)
    (1999, cd, eec, efa 03447-2) – incl.compositions by don van vliet and by frank zappa, feat. zappa alumni

farrell / black band: black limousine
    (1999, cdr, ger, private release)
 
thana harris: thanatopsis
    (2000, cd, usa, mastahna records) - feat.ex-moi and ex-zappa bandmembers
 
eugene chadbourne & jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: uncle jimmy's master plan
    (2000, cdr, usa, chadbourne) - incl. van vliet and zappa compositions

  jimmy carl black: drummin' the blues
    (2000, cdr, ger, inkanish records) - sampler
 
  behind the mirror & jimmy carl black: the secrets of crater 6
    (2000, cdr, ger, private release)

the grandmothers: eating the astoria (6)
    (2000, cd, i, obvious music om gm0100) - feat. various ex-moi; incl.zappa compositions

the grandmothers: 20 year anthology of the grandmothers
    (2001, cdr, ger, private release) - anthology

  behind the mirror & jimmy carl black: an evening with jimmy carl black & behind the mirror
    (2001, cdr, ger, private release) - incl. various van vliet & zappa compositions

  the grandmothers: the eternal question
    (2001, cdr, ger,
inkanish records) - feat. various ex-moi; incl.zappa compositions

sandro oliva & jimmy carl black: junk food
    (2001, cdr, italy, private release) - incl. various frank zappa compositions
 
eugene chadbourne & jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: the early years
    (2001, cdr, ger, inkanish records) - incl. various van vliet & zappa compositions

the route66 all-star's: live all-star's
    (2001, cdr, ger, inkanish) - feat. jimmy carl black
 
5 jimmy carl black and the x-tra combo: mercedes benz
    (2001, cdr, ger, private release)
- incl. various zappa compositions

eugene chadbourne & jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: reflections and experiences of jimi hendrix
    (2001, cdr, ger, inkanish records) - incl 'hey punk' (f.zappa)

  various artists: eyeinhand sampler volume 1
    (2001, cd, spain, vaso music vm 032) - all zappa related artists

  steffen moddrow: moddrow's chambers
    (2002, book + cd, ger, crater entertainment) - feat.jc black, behind the mirror; incl.'the black page' (f.zappa)

  jimmy carl black: where's the &% beer?
    (2002, cdr, ger, inkanish records ir005) - incl.various van vliet compositions
 
  eugene chadbourne: don't burn the flag, let's burn the bush
    (2002, cdr, usa, chadbourne) - incl. zappa & van vliet compositions, feat. jimmy carl black

eugene chadbourne & jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: 2001: a spaced odyssey
    (2002, cdr, ger, inkanish records) - incl.various van vliet compositions

eugene chadbourne & jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: the perfect c&w duo's
    (2002, cdr, ger, inkanish records)

eugene chadbourne & jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: taste of the leftovers
    (2002, cdr, ger, inkanish records) - incl.various zappa compositions

the route66 all-star's: more live all-star's, ravensburg 02/02/02
    (2002, cdr, ger, inkanish records)
- feat. jimmy carl black
 
junior franklin and the golden echo's: live at kut radio - june 26, 1984
    (2002, cdr, ger, inkanish records) - feat.jimmy carl black
 
eugene chadbourne & jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: reflections of jimi hendrix - jimi 2
    (2002, cdr, ger, inkanish records) - incl. 'hey punk' (f.zappa)

eugene chadbourne & jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show - sampler
    (2002, cdr, ger, inkanish records) - incl. van vliet & zappa compositions
b.e.p.: hamburger midnight
    (2002, cd, ger, inkanish records ir 0003) = jimmy carl black & roy estrada

  captain beefheart: magnetic hands
    (2002, cd, uk, viper cd 011)
  various artists: zappanale 13
    (2003, 3cd, ger, arf society) – incl. various artists playing frank zappa compositions

  various artists: zappanale 13 - the lewinskys - grandmothers west
    (2003, dvd, ger, the arf society) - feat. various artists playing frank zappa compositions

  various artists: zappanale 13 - retrospective
    (2003, dvd, ger, the arf society) - feat. various artists playing frank zappa compositions

  captain beefheart: railroadism
    (2003, cd, uk, viper cd 015)

the muffin men: live@thecavern  (12)
    (2003, cd, uk, private release mmcd 13/1)
– incl.compositions by don van vliet and by frank zappa, feat. jc black

the muffin men: baker's dozen
    (2003, cd, uk, private release mmcd 13/2) - incl.various frank zappa compositions, feat. zappa alumni

  various artists: zappanale # 13
    (2003, cd, ger, arf society) – incl. various artists playing frank zappa compositions

eugene chadbourne & jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: live ceder cultural center
    (2003, cdr, ger, inkanish records) - incl. van vliet & zappa compositions

eugene chadbourne & jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: the 7th street entry nightshift
    (2003, cdr, ger, inkanish records) -  incl. van vliet & zappa compositions

jimmy carl black: jimmy carl black plays the music of frank zappa
    (2003, cdr, ger, inkanish)
 
eugene chadbourne and jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: jack and jim play the music of frank zappa
    (2003, cdr, ger, inkanish)
 
eugene chadbourne and jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: jack and jim play the music of captain beefheart
    (2003, cdr, ger, inkanish)
 
eugene chadbourne and jimmy carl black: live at the zappanalle #14
    (2003, cdr, ger, inkanish) - incl. van vliet & zappa compositions / feat. mike keneally, martin smith & andy frizell

  cosmik debris band: the insel pepsi festival
    (2003, cdr, germany, inkanish) - all compositions by frank zappa; feat.jimmy carl black
 
  various artists: frank you, thank! vol.2
    (2003, cd, i, il popolo del blues)

  various artists: zappanale 14 - 2003
    (2004, 3cd, ger, arf society) – incl. various artists playing frank zappa compositions

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frank zappa: joe's corsage
    (2004, cd, usa, vaulternative records)
  eugene chadbourne and jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: we'll be together again
    (2004, 2cdr, usa, chadbourne products) - incl.van vliet & zappa compositions

  sandro oliva: heavy lightning
    (2004, cdr, i, private release) - feat. various ex-moi; incl.zappa compositions

  ella guru: the first album
    (2004, cd, uk, banana records - banana 2) - feat. jimmy carl black
 
  various artists: zappanale 14 - retrospective
    (2004, dvd, ger, the arf society) - feat. various artists playing frank zappa compositions

  various artists: zappanale # 14
    (2004, cd, ger, arf society) – incl. various artists playing frank zappa compositions

  blind riders on mad horses: roland kirk memorial barbecue
    (2005, cd, ger, rockwerk records) - feat.jimmy carl black ; incl.'willie the pimp' (frank zappa)
  boogie stuff: have mercy!
    (2005, cd, ger, sky 14129) - feat.jimmy carl black
 
  micky jones with ? and the muffinmen: s/t
    (2005, cd, uk, gpcd004) - feat.the muffin men and j.c.black, incl 'willie the pimp' & 'king kong' (frank zappa)
 
  the muffin men: muffinz moovies vol.one (1990-1997)
    (2005, dvd, uk, private release)
- incl.various frank zappa compositions, feat. zappa alumni

  the muffin men: live in the kitchen of love
    (2006, cd, uk, ark-hive 931) - incl. various frank zappa compositions, feat. j.c.black

77 frank zappa: the mofo project/object
    (2006, 2cd, usa, zappa records)

  the muffin men: muffinz moovies vol.two (1998-2003)
    (2006, dvd, uk, private release) - incl.various frank zappa compositions, feat. zappa alumni

78 frank zappa: the mofo project/object
    (2006, 4cd, usa, zappa records)

  jimmy carl black: when do we get paid?
    (2007, cd, usa, crossfire) - feat. don preston, walt & tom fowler
 
  the jimmy carl black band: how blue can you get?
    (2007, cdr, ger, private release) - feat. roddie gilliard
 
  black, pini, and jesdinsky: live in steinbach
    (2007, cdr, ger, private release)
 
  don preston: vile foamy ectoplasm
    (2007, cd, usa, crossfire publications) - feat. frank zappa, ex-moi and ex-zappa bandmembers
  bunk gardner: it's all bunk!
    (2007, cd, usa, crossfire publications) - feat. various ex-moi
 
  the muffin men: muffinz moovies vol.two (1998-2003)
    (2007, dvd, uk, private release) - incl.various frank zappa compositions, feat. zappa alumni
 
  eugene chadbourne and jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: live at teatro fondemente nuove
    (2007, 2cdr, germany, private release) - incl.van vliet & zappa compositions

  eugene chadbourne and jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: hearing is believing
    (2007, cdr, germany, private release) - incl.van vliet & zappa compositions

  eugene chadbourne and jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: hearing is believing
    (2007, cd, usa, boxholder records bxh 053)

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  eugene chadbourne and jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: live in pula, croatia
    (2007, cdr, germany, private release) - incl.van vliet & zappa compositions

  the grandmothers: boulder theatre – us tour, 2000
    (200?, 2cdr, italy, obvious music) - feat.j.c.black, don preston, bunk gardner
 
  jimmy carl black: where’s the $%&§#@’ beer?
    (2007, cd, usa, crossfire publications 9508-2) - feat.various mothers of invention
 
  jon larsen: strange news from mars
    (2007, cd, norway, zonic entertainment) - feat.various ex-zappa bandmembers

  jos steen: black brown stone
    (2007, cdr, belgium, private release - sojneets 29) - feat.jimmy carl black, incl. 'hot rats' (=willie the pimp)  (frank zappa)
 
  jon larsen: the unabbreviated session with jimmy carl black
    (2007, download, norway, hot club records hcrcd217) - feat.jimmy carl black & tommy mars

  eugene chadbourne and jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: 2001: a spaced odyssey, rotterdam, holland, september 9, 2001
    (2007, dvdr, usa, modern alchemy 01) - incl. various van vliet & zappa compositions

  eugene chadbourne and jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: live at the stone, nyc 2007
    (2007, dvdr, usa, modern alchemy 02) - incl. various van vliet & zappa compositions
  jon larsen: the jimmy carl black story
    (2008, 2cd, norway, zonic entertainment) - feat.jimmy carl black & tommy mars

 

jimmy carl black: freedom jazz dance
    (2008, cd, italy, azzuramusic tbp11473)

 
  eugene chadbourne and jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: think 69 tour, usa
    (2008, cdr, ger, inkanish records) - incl. 'click clack' (don van vliet)

  junior franklin and the golden echo's: live at kut radio - june 26, 1984
    (
2008, download, -, crossfire publications) - feat.jimmy carl black / downloadable version of the 2002 album
 
  big sonny and the lo boys: in heat
    (2008, download, -, crossfire publications) - feat.jimmy carl black / downloadable version of the 1979 album, with three bonus tracks
 
  geronimo black: welcome back
    (2008, download, -, crossfire publications) - feat. various ex-mothers of invention / downloadable version of the 1979 album, with six bonus tracks
 
  the grandmothers: dreams on long play - original version
    (2008, download, -, crossfire publications) - feat.jc black  /  this is the 'original version' from 1993, with six bonus tracks
 
  the grandmothers: dreams on long play - revised version
    (2008, download, -, crossfire publications) - feat.jc black  /  this is the re-recorded, remixed version with new cover from 1995, with six bonus tracks
 
  jimmy carl black: clearly classic
    (2008, download, -, crossfire publications) - downloadable version of the 1981 album, with four bonus tracks
 
  jimmy carl black and the mannish boys: a lil'dab'l do ya
    (2008, download, -, crossfire publications) - incl.'big leg emma'  (frank zappa) /
downloadable version of the 1987 album, with six bonus tracks
 
  the jimmy carl black band: how blue can you get?
    (2008, download, -, crossfire publications) - feat. roddie gilliard / downloadable version of the 2007 album
 
  jimmy carl black and the x-tra combo: mercedes benz
    (
2008, download, -, crossfire publications) - incl. various zappa compositions / downloadable version of the 2001 album
 
  holzhaus, black and teresas: i just got in from texas
    (2008, download, -, crossfire publications) - feat.jimmy carl black / downloadable version 
 
  b.e.p.: hamburger midnight
    (2008, download, -, crossfire publications) = jimmy carl black & roy estrada / downloadable version of the 2002 album
 
  arthur brown & jimmy carl black: brown, black & blue
    (
2008, download, -, crossfire publications) / downloadable version of the 1988 / 1991 album
 
  jimmy carl black: stick man for ever
    (2008, cd, usa, cafepress) = compilation
 
  eugene chadbourne and jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: live in kansas city
    (2008, cdr, ger, inkanish records / private release) - feat.zappa & van vliet material

  eugene chadbourne and jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: live in nagoya
    (2008, cdr, ger, inkanish records / private release) - feat.zappa & van vliet material

  eugene chadbourne and jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: the reflection and experiences of jimi hendrix
    (2008, cdr, ger, inkanish records / private release)   - incl. 'hey punk' (f.zappa)
  jimmy carl black: can i borrow a couple of bucks until the end of the week?
    (2008, download, - , crossfire publications) = download only
 
  jimmy carl black: if we'd all been living in california...
    (2008, download, - , crossfire publications) = download only
 
  jimmy carl black: where's my waitress?
    (2008, download, - , crossfire publications) = download only
 
  jimmy carl black: i'm not living very extravagantly, i'll tell you for sure
    (2008, download, - , crossfire publications) = download only
 
  the grandmothers: it happened here
    (2008, 2cdr, ger, arf society) = the grandmothers (with special guests) concert at zappanale in 2002

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  eugene chadbourne and jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: we don't have that in the home
    (2009, cdr, usa, chadula / private release)
- incl.van vliet & zappa compositions

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  sandro oliva: ossi sacri
    (2009, cdr, italy, private release) - feat. jimmy carl black

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  tony palmer's film of frank zappa's 200 motels
    (2010, dvd, uk, tony palmer)

  jimmy carl black: "where's my waitress?" (revised)
    (2010, download, -, crossfire publications) = revised edition - download only

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  bunk gardner: it's all bunk! (reloaded)
    (2010, download, -, crossfire publications)
= revised edition - download only

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  geronimo black: welcome back geronimo black (revised)
    (2010, download, -, crossfire publications) = revised edition - download only

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  various artists: bombensicher - die lüge von der friedlichen atomkraft
    (2010, dvd, ger, ??) - feat. behind the mirror & jimmy carl black

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  various artists: the nuclear free future award energy mix volume 1
    (2010, cd, ger, rising son records) - feat. behind the mirror & jimmy carl black

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  various artists: native america calling - music from indian country
    (2010, cd, ger, trikont) - sampler, feat. behind the mirror & jimmy carl black

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  various artists: 21 burnt weeny sandwiches
    (2010, cd, uk, cordelia records) - all compositions by frank zappa // feat. & dedicated to jimmy carl black
 

helmut king: i'm the indian of the group - die dvd zur mappe
    (2010, dvd, ger, king art / rr productions) - feat. jimmy carl black, behind the mirror, urban gwerder, kanzus j. kanzus

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sandro oliva & the blue pampurio's extravaganza: birra & salsicce
    (2010, 2cdr, italy, obvious music omso016) - feat. various zappa compositions  /  feat. jimmy carl black

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  ant-bee: electronic church muzik
    (2011, cd, usa, barking moondog records bmr1) - feat. various zappa & beefheart alumni
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sandro oliva: who the fuck is sandro oliva ?!?
    (2011, cdr, italy, private release / obvious music omso 0013) - feat. various ex-moi / incl.'mr.green genes' (frank zappa) / re-release with bonus

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frank zappa: road tapes - kerrisdale arena, vancouver bc, 25 august 1968
    (2012, cd, usa, vaulternative records )
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frank zappa: finer moments
    (2012, cd, usa, zappa records)

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  nigey lennon: reinventing the wheel reinvented
    (2013, cd, usa, muffin record productions)

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  various artists: zappanale exhibition 7 inch 2013
    (2013, 7"-promo, ger, arf society) - incl. various artists playing frank zappa compositions

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  the mothers of invention: wollman rink, central park, ny, august 3rd 1968
    (2014, cd, uk, keyhole records)
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the grandmothers: smell of the leftovers
    (200?, cdr, i, ??)  *** scheduled release on sandro oliva's label ***
 
the grandmothers: a little bit of the chef
    (200?, cdr, i, ??)  *** scheduled release on sandro oliva's label ***
 
 
 

 

steve hardstaff : cover versions
    (2008, book, uk, liverpool university press)

"Cover Versions" is a book that collects Steve 'Jacuzzi' Hardstaff's album cover designs and posters.

The book includes comments and quotes from musicians and artists who have worked with Hardstaff, - including Jimmy Carl Black.

   

 

concerts & sessions

1979 - on tour with big sonny & the lo boys

1986 / 1987 - the black & blues

1995 - on tour with eugene chadbourne as the "jack & jim show"

1997/08/31    concert saarbrücken, germany  (blues rock trio)

1998 - on tour with the grandmothers

1999 - on tour with richard farrell as "farrell & black"

2003/07/25 "zappanale no.14", in bad doberan, germany, organised by the arf society

2007/09/29 Eugene Chadbourne & Jimmy Carl Black  //  Bogus Pomp - concert "Emit Series"

filmography

random notes

 

 


2008 08 15

FROM: JIMMY CARL BLACK (posted on Mike Keneally's MySpace site)

I am going in the hospital and having an operation on my lung on the 20th and that is what is happening. It isn't a cancerous tumor which is good. I am not sure what they are going to do except operate on me. I hope everything is OK. I am a little worried. I don't like operations anyway. Please let the fans on Inkanish Records site know that I really need help money wise and any contributions would be appreciated. I really don't like charity but I am strapped for funds to help pay the hospital and my bills. I am willing to sell the fans CDs and that way it isn't charity. They get some good music and I get some much needed funds.

Thanks,

JCB.

Jimmy Carl Black
Hoepfling 4
83313 Siegsdorf
Germany 


2008 08 28

From Andrew (idiot bastard website, who also did an excellent interview with The Indian Of The Group)

UPDATE: I spoke with Jimmy this evening following his operation last week to remove a tumour on his lung. He confirmed that, despite what he had been told (see above-mentioned interview) the tumour WAS in fact cancerous. He sounded fairly chipper, but they say they can now only treat him with more chemotherapy. He comes out of hospital on Monday (1 September) and will soon start his treatment as an out patient. To help Jimmy pay his mounting medical bills, there's a special limited edition CD (Stick Man For Ever!) and some nifty apparel and other stuff available to buy at http://www.cafepress.com/jimmycarlblack. Please do what you can to help the dear old Mother.


A CONCERT FOR JIMMY

Sunday 9 November 2008
The Bridge House 2
Bidder Street
Canning Town
London E16
UK

Update from Andrew:

Things are starting to speed-up on the 'Concert For Jim' front. Now confirmed are: The Muffin Men, Mick Pini, Ben Watson and Fraz Knapp. Hopefully to be confirmed shortly are Sandro Oliva, The Thurston Lava Tube and Zappatika. There's others in the pipeline. The date has been confirmed at http://www.bh2live.com/page3.html, and tickets should go on sale soon. Please book early to avoid disappointment.



2008 09 03

Subject: HELP JIMMY CARL BLACK - buy this record!
Importance: High

**A MESSAGE FROM LEAPING CAT RECORDS (UK)**

Jeff Berlin, Ed Mann, Captain Sensible, Zappatika, RagacatZZ, The Wrong Object, Dr Dot & more to come.

All have at least one thing in common. They are all coming together on a FANTASTIC new compilation CD to help Jimmy Carl Black.

Jimmy Carl Black is the original drummer and one of the founder members of The Mothers Of Invention. Jimmy has served the music industry well over five decades. He has given his life to the music industry, pleasure to millions of people over the years and now Jimmy needs help. It's time to give a bit back to jimmy and in return you will get a CD containing unique music from all of these great artists and more. This CD is not available anywhere else. You can buy it soon from Leaping Cat Records or Inkanish Records and the money that you pay for it is ALL going directly to Jimmy Carl Black, if anyone else offers to sell you it please don't buy it.

Leaping Cat Records, Inkanish Records & Jerry Ford say a big thank you now to all of the artists on the CD for helping a Brother. If you want to thank them yourselves please visit their Myspace pages and leave them a nice comment.

http://www.myspace.com/jeffberlin

http://www.myspace.com/edmannpercussion

http://www.myspace.com/thecaptainsensible

http://www.myspace.com/zappatika

http://www.myspace.com/ragacatzz

http://www.myspace.com/wrongobject

http://www.myspace.com/drdot

The CD will be available soon from Leaping Cat Records and Inkarnish Records. It will not be available as a download so if you see it offered anywhere for download please tell us and we will publically shame who ever is stealing from Jimmy Carl Black, who is a musical legend and sadly at the moment a cancer victim.


Here's the link with all the info concerning the concert for Jimmy Carl Black.

It's over at Andrew's www.idiotbastard.com and it will be updated regularly!! Just click the picture on the right.


2008 11 02

This from JCBs Myspace -

It is my sad duty to report the news that JIMMY CARL BLACK has passed away. Jimmy left this earth around 11pm Germany time on October 31st. of cancer.

Jimmy lived his life by the second, enjoying each and every bit of it , and still always had plenty to share with everyone he came in contact with. He enriched and inspired many many people's lives and opened so many artistic doors for the rest of us to walk through and reap the benefits.

Although tears do run down my cheeks I know Jimmy would not want us to be sad. He has said to me many times how important his fans were to him and in his last days it was his family he was most concerned with.

PLEASE visit The JCB Gift Shop at www.cafepress.com/jimmycarlblack and show your kind support to his family.

A fantastic benefit concert is being planned for December 7th in California, please visit www.myspace.com/quotinprotestofboredomquotthehomegame for more up to date details. We will continue to keep you posted on the Inkanish Record Co. site as well. There is also a big benefit taking place in London on November 9th..... stay tuned for more details there too. 

Jimmy's son Geronimo and myself along with many of Jimmy's dear friends intend to keep Inkanish Records alive and thriving to keep Jimmy's music and high ideals alive. 
We also are going to do all we can to get Jimmy into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame where he has belonged for years! 

GOD BLESS JIMMY CARL BLACK AND HIS FAMILY!

Jerry Ford

rest in peace, Jimmy Carl Black


Jimmy Carl Black

Drummer and sometimes lead vocalist who worked with Frank Zappa and Captain Beefheart

Alan Clayson 
The Guardian, Tuesday November 4 2008

Jimmy Carl Black, who has died of cancer aged 70, was drummer and sometimes lead vocalist with Frank Zappa's Mothers of Invention between 1965 and the group's bitter break-up in 1970. The Mothers created concerts and albums that mixed pop-Dada, 1950s doo-wop, jazz, schmaltz, Stravinsky, Varèse and Webern. Black was to the fore as Lonesome Cowboy Burt, a highlight of Zappa's 200 Motels movie (1971). He was the man who introduced himself as "the Indian of the group" on the band's album, We're Only in It for the Money (1968), and was a central figure in If We'd All Been Living in California, a dialogue on corporate finances on Uncle Meat (1969).

Black, who inherited Cheyenne blood from his mother, was born in El Paso, Texas, but grew up in nearby Anthony on the New Mexican border. He was a soloist in his high school band's brass section, "but I realised that there was no chance in rock'n'roll for a trumpeter, after Elvis Presley appeared at El Paso Coliseum in 1955. When I saw the effect he had on those women, I thought, 'Man. That's what I want to do!'"

Though he could strum a guitar and had had piano lessons, Black bought a drum kit and practised by playing along mostly to black rhythm and blues records. While serving in the US air force, he joined a country and western trio, Them Three Guys, and, following demobilisation in 1958, played mainstream pop with the Surfs and then the Keys - with whom Black recorded Stretch Pants (1962).

Two years later, he moved to Los Angeles, and formed the Soul Giants, who played LA dance halls. When the guitarist was drafted into the army, he was replaced by Zappa, who told the band, according to Black, that "if you guys learn my music, I'll make you rich and famous".

"He took care of half of that promise," said Black, "because I'm damn sure I didn't get rich." Renamed the Mothers of Invention, the group followed Zappa's masterplan to a qualified prosperity via concerts and, later, albums. "Frank made me aware of modern classical stuff," said Black, "and very patiently taught me all those complex rhythms and time signatures."

But Black became increasingly unhappy about Zappa's control. He resented the enlistment of a second drummer, and Zappa claiming authorship of tracks such as If We'd All Been Living in California. "I never knew he'd taped it at a band meeting," he complained. "I wasn't credited. Everything was 'written, arranged and produced by Frank Zappa'. Then a week after a successful tour, he called us together and said, 'I've decided to break up the band. Your salaries have stopped as from last week.' It was a big shock. I had five kids to feed."

Postscripts to Black's tenure with Zappa embraced his role in 200 Motels, and an exhumation in 1981 of his character in it, Lonesome Cowboy Burt, for Harder Than Your Husband on Zappa's You Are What You Is album.

In 1972 Black had success with two albums as leader of Geronimo Black, named after his youngest son. But by 1974 a Melody Maker interview was conducted in Winebel's Donuts, where he was, indeed, making doughnuts.

He then moved to Albuquerque, New Mexico, released a solo album, Clearly Classic, which achieved minimal circulation, and joined a Captain Beefheart and his Magic Band world tour.

Black then settled in Austin, Texas, where he established the Gentlemen of Colour, a building-and-decorating business with Arthur Brown, the English star of the 1960s Crazy World of Arthur Brown. The firm flourished for 10 years - as did an artistic liaison which was to culminate in an album of R&B standards, Brown, Black and Blue (1980). Black was also performing with Eugene Chadbourne - "the free-est form guitar player I've ever met" - and the Grandmothers, initially, former Mothers band members fronted by the Italian guitarist and Frank Zappa lookalike Sandro Oliva. Their CDs included a concert recorded in 1998 at London's Astoria theatre.

Increasing success in Europe led Black to move to Vicenza, Italy with his then wife, a schoolteacher with the US army. After her death, he moved to Germany, home of his second wife Monika. In 1995 he began playing with the Muffin Men, the best British interpreters of the work of Zappa and Beefheart. Black was on the road with the group as recently as 2007. Assisted by Roddie Gilliard of the Muffin Men, he was working on an autobiography, For Mother's Sake.

He is survived by Monika, three sons and two daughters.

• James Carl Inkanish Black, drummer and singer,

born February 1 1938; died November 1 2008

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2008/nov/04/popandrock


2008 11 03 - http://www.zappa.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=15653

I hardly know what to say about the demise of the great Jimmy Carl Black. I Emailed Roy Estrada that the world just won't seem the same without The Indian. He was one of those rare guys who lit up the whole room when he walked in. When you met Jim you liked him; and he was your friend for life. Jim was basically a good ole Texas boy with a little flower power mixed in. He was an open book to a fault, and was quick with his praise of others. I had some of the best times of my life around Jimmy Carl Black, all the while learning a little bit about rock n roll drumming. When we spoke on the phone a couple of weeks ago, I had a feeling that would be the last time. I'm very grateful that I had that opportunity.

Art Tripp


 

http://www.idiotbastard.com/reviews.htm#Gigs



2009 01

the Jimmy Carl Black cd by the Arf Society


 

 

 


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