jimmy carl black

Jimmy Carl Black, born James Inckanish Jr., Feb. 1, 1938 in El Paso Texas, was the drummer for the original Mothers Of Invention line-up - known as "the Indian of the group". JCB provided drums and vocal for the first 8 MOI releases, as well as the 200 Motels release. Once the original MOI was disbanded, Jimmy appeared on other Zappa releases: You Are What You Is, You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 1, You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 4, You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 5, You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 6, Ahead Of Their Time, The Lost Episodes, Mystery Disc, and Joe's Corsage. He also provides drums and vocals for the Beat The Boots series disks The Ark (BTB), 'Tis The Season To Be Jelly (BTB), Electric Aunt Jemima (BTB), and Our Man In Nirvana (BTB).

From the "biographical trivia" section on the Freak Out! (1966) album: ... Moved into my recording studio, joined forces with Ray, Jim and Roy, schemed and plotted for a year, working in beer joints, blah, blah, starved a lot, etc... played a lot of freaky music & stayed vastly unpopular (though notorious). OWE OUR EXISTENCE to Mark Cheka for his initial encouragement and sterling example (and to a whole bunch of other people who are going to be bugged because their names aren't listed in detail, with addresses and pertinent facts about what they like about the government & their other fetishes). Ray used to be a carpenter and a bartender and sing with Little Julian Herrera & The Tigers (note the falsetto part in 'I REMEMBER LINDA')... been singing R&B for ten to twelve years. Jim got fired from some idiot band in Kansas, forcing him to move to California. Lucky for us. Seems he just couldn't get turned on playing " Louie, Louie" all night... it must have hurt him deeply when they rejected him. Roy is an asthmatic Pachuco, good-natured excellent bass player, involved in the R&B scene here for about ten years. He is unbelievably tolerant. I don't understand it. Elliot digs the blues. He has a big dimple in his chin. We made him grow beard to cover it up. He just got out of the Army. Lucky for the Army. THEY ARE ALL MUSICIANS.

From the "Freak Out With The Grandmothers" tour booklet:
Jimmy Carl Black: "Born James Inckanish jr., Feb. 1, 1938 in El Paso Texas.  Had a very nice childhood.  In 1958 I changed my name to Jimmy Carl Black.  I recorded my first single in 1962 with a band called
the Keys.  In 1964 moved to california and met Roy Estrada and Ray Collins and had a band called the Soul GiantsFrank Zappa joined the band and a month later said "If you guys will play my music I'll make you rich and famous."  In 1970 I formed a band called Geronimo Black with Bunk Gardner.  Two albums and many bands in the 70's.  In 1980 Bunk Gardner, Don Preston and myself formed the first Grandmothers.  Toured Europe and the States for two years.  Released two albums.  In the 80's many bands.  In 1993 we got back together and since then it's been gangbusters."

July 2002 and 2003, Jimmy Carl Black performed at the Zappanale festival in Bad Doberan, Germany.

 

 

December 2006, Zjakki Willems invited Jimmy Carl Black, Steven de Bruyn and Jos Steen into the Marconi Studio of Radio One in Brussels. The recordings of this Black Brown Stone trio were broadcast every monday of february during Zjakki's "Cucamonga" radio show.

The complete recordings can be found on Jos Steen's "Black Bown Stone", a private CDR release.

 

Black Brown Stone

 

  1. the devil’s music
  2. the meeting with the devil
  3. sad glad
  4. heaven blues

 

 

discography

the keys: stretch pants / just a matter of time
    (1962, 7", usa, ??) - feat.jc black
1 the mothers of invention: freak out! (1)
    (1966, 2lp, usa, verve)
2 the mothers of invention: absolutely free (2)
    (1967, lp,usa, verve)
3 the mothers of invention: we're only in it for the money (3)
   (1967, lp, usa, verve)
4 frank zappa: lumpy gravy (4)
   (1967, lp, usa, verve)
5 the mothers of invention: cruising with ruben & the jets (5)
   (1968, lp, usa, verve)
6 the mothers of invention: mothermania (6)
   (1969, lp, usa, verve)
gto's: permanent damage (1)
    (1969, lp, usa, bizarre 73397 - straight sts 1059) - produced by frank zappa
        feat.ian underwood, don preston, roy estrada, jc black, frank zappa
7 the mothers of invention: uncle meat (7)
   (1969, 2lp, usa, bizarre)
9 the mothers of invention: burnt weeny sandwich (9)
   (1970, lp, usa, bizarre)
10 the mothers of invention: weasels ripped my flesh (10)
   (1970, lp, usa, bizarre)
13 frank zappa: 200 motels (13)
   (1971, 2lp, usa, united artists)
1 geronimo black: geronimo black  (1)
    (1972, lp, universal city recs) - feat. various ex-mothers of invention
  jimmy carl black: raps about geronimo black
    (1972, 7"-pro, usa, mca 1914) (ps)
  geronimo black: let us live / '59 chevy
    (
1972, 7"-pro, usa, uni 55339)
  geronimo black: '59 chevy / let us live
    (1972, 7", new zealand, mca records mc/s 6145)
nolan: no apologies
    (1972, lp, usa, lizard) - feat. jimmy carl black, roy estrada, lowell george
big sonny and the lo boys: in heat (1)
    (1979, lp, usa, con safos records cs-4100) - feat.jimmy carl black 
big sonny and the lo boys: love me two times / love potion #9
   
(1979, 7", usa, con safos records cs 4101) - feat.jimmy carl black
  big sonny and the lo boys: play your music / funny money
    (1979, 7", usa, ??) - feat.jimmy carl black
2 geronimo black: welcome back (2)
    (1980, lp, usa, helios recs) - feat. various ex-mothers of invention
  jimmy carl black: albuquerque bound / thank you, mr.bill
    (1980, 7", usa, helios records hr-445-6) (ps)
the grandmothers: grandmothers (1)
    (1981, lp, ger, line records 6.24636 ap) - feat. various ex-moi
3 jimmy carl black: clearly classic (3)
    (1981, lp, usa, inkanish 5504)
34 frank zappa: you are what you is (34)
   (1981, 2lp, usa, barking pumpkin)
the grandmothers: lookin' up granny's dress (2)
    (1982, lp, us, rhino records  rnlp 804) - feat. various ex-moi; incl.zappa compositions
steve terell: picnic time for potatoheads
    (1982, lp, usa, ??) - feat. jc black
the grandmothers: fan club talk lp (3)
    (1983, lp, us, panda 001)
4 jimmy carl black and the mannish boys: a lil'dab'l do ya (4)
    (1988, lp, usa, amazing am-1013) - incl.'big leg emma'  (frank zappa)
51 frank zappa: you can't do that on stage anymore vol.1 (51)
   (1988, 2cd, usa, ryko)
austin lounge lizards: highway cafe of the damned
    (1988, cd, usa, watermelon 1001) - feat. jc black
eugene chadbourne: chadbourne baptist church
    (1990, k7, usa, chadbourne products) - feat. jimmy carl black
57 frank zappa: you can't do that on stage anymore vol.4 (57)
   (1991, 2cd, usa, ryko)
  the mothers of invention: the ark
    (1991, cd, usa, rhino foo-eee records r2 70538)
  zappa / mothers: 'tis the season to be jelly
    (1991, cd, usa, rhino foo-eee records r2 70542)
  zappa / mothers: electric aunt jemima
    (1991, cd, usa, rhino foo-eee records r2 71019)
  zappa / mothers: our man in nirvana
    (1991, cd, usa, rhino foo-eee records r2 71022)
henry vestine: guitar ganster
    (1991, cd, usa, ??) - feat. jimmy carl black
arthur brown & jimmy carl black: brown, black & blue
    (1991, cd, usa, blue wave cd #109)
58 frank zappa: you can't do that on stage anymore vol.5 (58)
   (1992, 2cd, usa, ryko)
  jimmy carl black: geronimo black speaks - 1992 interview
    (1992, k7, usa, electrik yak 007) = interview for "ptolemaic terrascope"
59 frank zappa: you can't do that on stage anymore vol.6 (59)
   (1992, 2cd, usa, ryko)
ant-bee: with my favourite "mothers" and other bizarre muzik
    (1992, k7, usa, electrik yak 003) - feat. ex-moi  & ex-magic band members
  jimmy carl black: geronimo black speaks again - 1992 interview
    (1992, k7, usa, electrik yak 008) = interview for "t'mershi duween"
the grandmothers: dreams on long play (4)
    (1993, cd, ger, muffin records cdm 002) - feat.jc black  
the grandmothers: a mother of an anthology
    (1993, cd, us, one way records ow 28880)  = compilation + extra tracks  
ant-bee: the *#!%%? of ant-bee - rarities vol.3
    (1993, k7, usa, electrik yak records 009) - feat.ex-moi
don preston: vile foamy ectoplasm (1)
    (1993, cd, ger, muffin records muffin cdmr 003) - feat. ex-moi and ex-zappa bandmembers 
  jimmy carl black: speak'n at ya!
   (1993, k7, usa, electrik yak records letc 3)  = a reissue  + some additional music
  jimmy carl black and the grandmothers: the / brave combo: skin
    (1993, 7”flexi, usa, eva-tone soundsheet)
eugene chadbourne: 10 most wanted
    (1993, k7, usa, chadbourne products) – incl. van vliet and zappa compositions; feat ex-moi
61 zappa / mothers: ahead of their time (61)
   (1993, cd, usa, ryko)
the muffin men: say cheese and thank you (2)
    (1993, cd, ger, muffin records cd mr 004) 
        – incl. various frank zappa compositions; feat.jimmy carl black
the grandmothers: who could imagine (5)
    (1994, cd, nl, munich records netcd 53)
        - feat. various ex-moi; incl.zappa & beefheart compositions
ant-bee: the bizarre german e.p.
    (1994, 7", ger, lollipop shop bouncing splash 8) (ps) - feat.ex-moi
ant-bee: with my favorite "vegetables" and other bizarre music (2)
    (1994, cd, uk, divine records divine 3) - feat.ex-moi
eugene chadbourne + jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: locked in a dutch coffeeshop
    (1994, cd, uk, fundamental rec) - feat.don preston /
incl. van vliet compositions
the muffin men: mülm (3)
    (1994, cd, ger, muffin records cdmr 012) – incl. various frank zappa compositions; feat. i.willis, jc black
  snarfel: thirty years of andy cahan
    (1995, cd, usa, hamana records) - feat. various ex-moi
sandro oliva: who the fuck is sandro oliva ?!?
    (1995, cd, usa, muffin records mrp015)
- feat. various ex-moi; incl.'mr.green genes' (frank zappa)
ant-bee: lunar muzik (3)
    (1995, cd, uk, divine records divine 20) - feat.ex-moi and ex-zappa bandmembers
eugene chadbourne & jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show - pachuco cadaver
    (1995, cd, usa, fireant) - incl. various van vliet and zappa compositions
various artists: wavelength infinity
    (1995, 2cd, usa, ??) - feat.jimmy carl black
farrell & black: cataract jump
    (1996, cd, ger, fritz records fr 952014-1) – incl. ‘road ladies’ (frank zappa)
  jimmy carl black: when do we get paid (5)
    (1996, cd, uk, devine records devine 50 cd)
64 frank zappa: the lost episodes (64)
   (1996, cd, usa, ryko)
tom shaka with jimmy carl black and lars-luis linek: blues magic
    (1996, cd, usa, ??)
the muffin men: frankincense (5)
    (1997, cd, eec, muffin records cdmrp 054) – incl. various frank zappa compositions, feat.jimmy carl black
eugene chadbourne: chadbourne barber shop
    (1997, k7, usa, chadbourne) - feat. jimmy carl black
the muffin men: muffinz (6)
    (1998, cd, eec, muffin records cd-056) – incl. various frank zappa and one van vliet composition, feat.jc black
67 frank zappa: mystery disc (67)
   (1998, cd, usa, ryko)
behind the mirror & jimmy carl black: cockroach albert
    (1998, cd, ger, placebo) - incl. various frank zappa compositions
the muffin men: god shave the queen (8)
    (1999, cd, eec, efa 03447-2)
        – incl.compositions by don van vliet and by frank zappa, feat. jimmy carl black
farrell / black band: black limousine
    (1999, cdr, ger, private release)
thana harris: thanatopsis
    (2000, cd, usa, mastahna records) - feat.ex-moi and ex-zappa bandmembers
eugene chadbourne & jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: uncle jimmy's master plan
    (2000, cdr, usa, chadbourne) - incl. zappa - & van vliet - compositions
  jimmy carl black: drummin' the blues
    (2000, cdr, ger, inkanish records) - sampler
behind the mirror & jimmy carl black: the secrets of crater 6
    (2000, cdr, ger, private release)
the grandmothers: eating the astoria (6)
    (2000, cd, i, obvious music om gm0100) - feat. various ex-moi; incl.zappa compositions
the grandmothers: 20 year anthology of the grandmothers
    (2001, cdr, ger, private release) - anthology
the grandmothers: the eternal question
    (2001, cdr, ger, private release)
- feat. various ex-moi; incl.zappa compositions
sandro oliva & jimmy carl black: junk food
    (2001, cdr, italy, private release) - incl. various frank zappa compositions
eugene chadbourne & jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: the early years
    (2001, cdr, ger, inkanish records) - incl. various van vliet & zappa compositions
the route66 all-star's: live all-star's
    (2001, cdr, ger, inkanish) - feat. jimmy carl black
5 jimmy carl black and the x-tra combo: mercedes benz
    (2001, cdr, ger, private release)
- incl. various zappa compositions
eugene chadbourne & jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show - reflections and experiences of jimi hendrix
    (2001, cdr, ger, inkanish records) - incl 'hey punk' (f.zappa)
various artists: eyeinhand sampler volume 1
    (2001, cd, spain, vaso music vm 032) - all zappa related artists
  jimmy carl black: where's the &% beer?
    (2002, cdr, ger, inkanish records ir005) - incl.various van vliet compositions
eugene chadbourne & jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: the perfect c&w duo's
    (2002, cdr, ger, inkanish records)
eugene chadbourne & jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: taste of the leftovers
    (2002, cdr, ger, inkanish records) - incl.various zappa compositions
eugene chadbourne & jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show - 2001: a spaced odyssey
    (2002, cdr, ger, inkanish records) - incl.various van vliet compositions
the route66 all-star's: more live all-star's, ravensburg 02/02/02
    (2002, cdr, ger, inkanish records)
- feat. jimmy carl black
junior franklin and the golden echo's: live at kut radio - june 26, 1984
    (2002, cdr, ger, inkanish records) - feat.jimmy carl black
eugene chadbourne & jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: reflections of jimi hendrix - jimi 2
    (2002, cdr, ger, inkanish records) - incl. 'hey punk' (f.zappa)
eugene chadbourne & jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show - sampler
    (2002, cdr, ger, inkanish records) - incl. van vliet & zappa compositions
b.e.p.: hamburger midnight
    (2002, cd, ger, inkanish records ir 0003) = jimmy carl black & roy estrada
  eugene chadbourne: don't burn the flag, let's burn the bush
    (2002, cdr, usa, chadbourne) - incl. zappa & van vliet compositions, feat. jimmy carl black
various artists: zappanale 13
    (2003, 3cd, ger, arf society) – incl. various artists playing frank zappa compositions
the muffin men: live@thecavern  (12)
    (2003, cd, uk, private release mmcd 13/1)
– incl.compositions by don van vliet and by frank zappa, feat. jc black
  the muffin men: baker's dozen
    (2003, cd, uk, private release mmcd 13/2) - incl.various frank zappa compositions, feat. zappa alumni
various artists: zappanale # 13
    (2003, cd, ger, arf society) – incl. various artists playing frank zappa compositions
eugene chadbourne & jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: live ceder cultural center
    (2003, cdr, ger, inkanish records) - incl. van vliet & zappa compositions
eugene chadbourne & jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: the 7th street entry nightshift
    (2003, cdr, ger, inkanish records) -  incl. van vliet & zappa compositions
jimmy carl black: jimmy carl black plays the music of frank zappa
    (2003, cdr, ger, inkanish)
eugene chadbourne and jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: jack and jim play the music of frank zappa
    (2003, cdr, ger, inkanish)
eugene chadbourne and jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: jack and jim play the music of captain beefheart
    (2003, cdr, ger, inkanish)
eugene chadbourne and jimmy carl black: live at the zappanalle #14
    (2003, cdr, ger, inkanish) - incl. van vliet & zappa compositions / feat. mike keneally, martin smith & andy frizell
  cosmik debris band: the insel pepsi festival
    (2003, cdr, germany, inkanish) - all compositions by frank zappa; feat.jimmy carl black
  various artists: frank you, thank! vol.2
    (2003, cd, i, il popolo del blues) – feat.various artists playing frank zappa compositions
  various artists: zappanale 14 - 2003
    (2004, 3cd, ger, arf society) – incl. various artists playing frank zappa compositions
72 frank zappa: joe's corsage (72)
    (2004, cd, usa, vaulternative records)
  eugene chadbourne and jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: we'll be together again
    (2004, 2cdr, usa, chadbourne products) - incl.van vliet & zappa compositions
  sandro oliva: heavy lightning
    (2004, cdr, i, private release) - feat. various ex-moi; incl.zappa compositions
  ella guru: the first album
    (2004, cd, uk, banana records - banana 2) - feat. jimmy carl black
  various artists: zappanale 14 - retrospective
    (2004, dvd, ger, the arf society) - feat. various artists playing frank zappa compositions
  blind riders on mad horses: roland kirk memorial barbecue
    (2005, cd, ger, rockwerk records) - feat.jimmy carl black ; incl.'willie the pimp' (frank zappa)
  boogie stuff: have mercy!
    (2005, cd, ger, sky 14129) - feat.jimmy carl black
  micky jones with ? and the muffinmen: s/t
    (2005, cd, uk, gpcd004) - feat.the muffin men and j.c.black, incl 'willie the pimp' & 'king kong' (frank zappa)
  the muffin men: muffinz moovies vol.one (1990-1997)
    (2005, dvd, uk, private release)
- incl.various frank zappa compositions, feat. zappa alumni
  the muffin men: live in the kitchen of love
    (2006, cd, uk, ark-hive 931) - incl. various frank zappa compositions, feat. j.c.black
  frank zappa: the mofo project/object (77)
    (2006, 2cd, usa, zappa records)
  frank zappa: the mofo project/object (78)
    (2006, 4cd, usa, zappa records)
  jimmy carl black: when do we get paid?
    (2007, cd, usa, crossfire) - feat. don preston, walt & tom fowler
  the jimmy carl black band: how blue can you get?
    (2007, cdr, ger, private release) - feat. roddie gilliard
  black, pini, and jesdinsky: live in steinbach
    (2007, cdr, ger, private release)
  don preston: vile foamy ectoplasm
    (2007, cd, usa, crossfire publications) - feat. frank zappa, ex-moi and ex-zappa bandmembers
  bunk gardner: it's all bunk!
    (2007, cd, usa, crossfire publications) - feat. various ex-moi
  the muffin men: muffinz moovies vol.two (1998-2003)
    (2007, dvd, uk, private release) - incl.various frank zappa compositions, feat. zappa alumni
  eugene chadbourne and jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: live at teatro fondemente nuove
    (2007, 2cdr, germany, private release) - incl.van vliet & zappa compositions
  eugene chadbourne and jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: hearing is believing
    (2007, cdr, germany, private release) - incl.van vliet & zappa compositions
  eugene chadbourne and jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: live in pula, croatia
    (2007, cdr, germany, private release) - incl.van vliet & zappa compositions
  the grandmothers: boulder theatre – us tour, 2000
    (200?, 2cdr, italy, obvious music) - feat.j.c.black, don preston, bunk gardner
  jimmy carl black: where’s the $%&§#@’ beer?
    (2007, cd, usa, crossfire publications 9508-2) - feat.various mothers of invention
  jon larsen: strange news from mars
    (2007, cd, sweden, zonic entertainment) - feat.various ex-zappa bandmembers
  jos steen: black brown stone
    (2007, cdr, belgium, private release - sojneets 29) - feat.jimmy carl black, incl. 'hot rats' (=willie the pimp)  (frank zappa)
  jon larsen: the unabbreviated session with jimmy carl black
    (2007, download, sweden, hot club records hcrcd217) - feat.jimmy carl black & tommy mars
  eugene chadbourne and jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: 2001: a spaced odyssey, rotterdam, holland, september 9, 2001
    (2007, dvdr, usa, modern alchemy 01) - incl. various van vliet & zappa compositions
  eugene chadbourne and jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: live at the stone, nyc 2007
    (2007, dvdr, usa, modern alchemy 02) - incl. various van vliet & zappa compositions
   
the grandmothers: smell of the leftovers
    (200?, cdr, i, ??)  *** scheduled release on sandro oliva's label ***
the grandmothers: a little bit of the chef
    (200?, cdr, i, ??)  *** scheduled release on sandro oliva's label ***
holzhaus, black and teresas: i just got in from texas
    (????, ??, ??) - feat.jimmy carl black
 

 

concerts & sessions

1979 - on tour with big sonny & the lo boys

1986 / 1987 - the black & blues

1995 - on tour with eugene chadbourne as the "jack & jim show"

1997/08/31    concert saarbrücken, germany  (blues rock trio)

1998 - on tour with the grandmothers

1999 - on tour with richard farrell as "farrell & black"

2003/07/25 "zappanale no.14", in bad doberan, germany, organised by the arf society

2007/09/29 Eugene Chadbourne & Jimmy Carl Black  //  Bogus Pomp - concert "Emit Series"

filmography

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