jimmy carl black
jimmy carl black
Jimmy Carl Black, born James Inckanish Jr., Feb. 1, 1938 in El Paso Texas, was the drummer for the original Mothers Of Invention line-up - known as "the Indian of the group". JCB provided drums and vocal for the first 8 MOI releases, as well as the 200 Motels release. Once the original MOI was disbanded, Jimmy appeared on other Zappa releases: You Are What You Is, You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 1, You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 4, You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 5, You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 6, Ahead Of Their Time, The Lost Episodes, Mystery Disc, and Joe's Corsage. He also provides drums and vocals for the Beat The Boots series disks The Ark (BTB), 'Tis The Season To Be Jelly (BTB), Electric Aunt Jemima (BTB), and Our Man In Nirvana (BTB).
From the "biographical trivia" section on the Freak Out! (1966) album: ... Moved into my recording studio, joined forces with Ray, Jim and Roy, schemed and plotted for a year, working in beer joints, blah, blah, starved a lot, etc... played a lot of freaky music & stayed vastly unpopular (though notorious). OWE OUR EXISTENCE to Mark Cheka for his initial encouragement and sterling example (and to a whole bunch of other people who are going to be bugged because their names aren't listed in detail, with addresses and pertinent facts about what they like about the government & their other fetishes). Ray used to be a carpenter and a bartender and sing with Little Julian Herrera & The Tigers (note the falsetto part in 'I REMEMBER LINDA')... been singing R&B for ten to twelve years. Jim got fired from some idiot band in Kansas, forcing him to move to California. Lucky for us. Seems he just couldn't get turned on playing " Louie, Louie" all night... it must have hurt him deeply when they rejected him. Roy is an asthmatic Pachuco, good-natured excellent bass player, involved in the R&B scene here for about ten years. He is unbelievably tolerant. I don't understand it. Elliot digs the blues. He has a big dimple in his chin. We made him grow beard to cover it up. He just got out of the Army. Lucky for the Army. THEY ARE ALL MUSICIANS.
From the "Freak Out With The Grandmothers" tour booklet:
Jimmy Carl Black: "Born James Inckanish jr., Feb. 1, 1938 in
El Paso Texas. Had a very nice childhood. In 1958 I changed my name to
Jimmy Carl Black. I recorded my first single in 1962 with a band called the
Keys. In 1964
moved to california and met Roy
Estrada and Ray Collins and had a band called
the Soul Giants. Frank
Zappa
joined the
band and a month later said "If you guys will play my music I'll make you
rich and famous." In 1970 I formed a band called Geronimo
Black with
Bunk Gardner. Two albums and many bands in the 70's.
In 1980
Bunk Gardner,
Don Preston and myself formed
the first Grandmothers. Toured Europe and the States for two years.
Released two albums. In the 80's many bands. In 1993 we got back together and since then it's been gangbusters."
July 2002 and 2003, Jimmy Carl Black performed at the Zappanale festival in Bad Doberan, Germany.
| December 2006, Zjakki Willems invited Jimmy Carl Black, Steven de
Bruyn and Jos Steen into the Marconi Studio of Radio One in Brussels.
The recordings of this Black Brown Stone trio were broadcast every monday
of february during Zjakki's "Cucamonga" radio show.
The complete recordings can be found on Jos Steen's "Black Bown Stone", a private CDR release. |
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discography
| the keys: stretch
pants / just a matter of time (1962, 7", usa, ??) - feat.jc black |
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| 1 | the
mothers of invention: freak
out!
(1) (1966, 2lp, usa, verve) |
| 2 | the
mothers of invention: absolutely
free
(2) (1967, lp,usa, verve) |
| 3 | the
mothers of invention: we're only
in it for the money
(3) (1967, lp, usa, verve) |
| 4 | frank
zappa: lumpy gravy
(4) (1967, lp, usa, verve) |
| 5 | the
mothers of invention: cruising
with ruben & the jets
(5) (1968, lp, usa, verve) |
| 6 | the
mothers of invention:
mothermania
(6) (1969, lp, usa, verve) |
| gto's:
permanent damage (1) (1969, lp, usa, bizarre 73397 - straight sts 1059) - produced by frank zappa feat.ian underwood, don preston, roy estrada, jc black, frank zappa |
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| 7 | the
mothers of invention: uncle meat
(7) (1969, 2lp, usa, bizarre) |
| 9 | the
mothers of invention: burnt
weeny sandwich
(9) (1970, lp, usa, bizarre) |
| 10 | the
mothers of invention: weasels
ripped my flesh
(10) (1970, lp, usa, bizarre) |
| 13 | frank
zappa: 200 motels
(13) (1971, 2lp, usa, united artists) |
| 1 | geronimo
black: geronimo black (1) (1972, lp, universal city recs) - feat. various ex-mothers of invention |
| jimmy carl black:
raps
about geronimo black (1972, 7"-pro, usa, mca 1914) (ps) |
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| geronimo
black: let us live / '59 chevy (1972, 7"-pro, usa, uni 55339) |
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| geronimo black:
'59 chevy / let us live (1972, 7", new zealand, mca records mc/s 6145) |
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| nolan:
no apologies (1972, lp, usa, lizard) - feat. jimmy carl black, roy estrada, lowell george |
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| big
sonny and the lo boys: in
heat (1) (1979, lp, usa, con safos records cs-4100) - feat.jimmy carl black |
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| big
sonny and the lo boys: love
me two times / love potion #9 (1979, 7", usa, con safos records cs 4101) - feat.jimmy carl black |
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| big
sonny and the lo boys: play your music / funny money (1979, 7", usa, ??) - feat.jimmy carl black |
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| 2 | geronimo
black: welcome back (2) (1980, lp, usa, helios recs) - feat. various ex-mothers of invention |
| jimmy
carl black: albuquerque bound / thank
you, mr.bill (1980, 7", usa, helios records hr-445-6) (ps) |
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| the
grandmothers: grandmothers (1) (1981, lp, ger, line records 6.24636 ap) - feat. various ex-moi |
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| 3 | jimmy
carl black: clearly classic (3) (1981, lp, usa, inkanish 5504) |
| 34 | frank
zappa: you are what you is (34) (1981, 2lp, usa, barking pumpkin) |
| the
grandmothers: lookin' up granny's dress (2) (1982, lp, us, rhino records rnlp 804) - feat. various ex-moi; incl.zappa compositions |
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| steve
terell: picnic time for potatoheads (1982, lp, usa, ??) - feat. jc black |
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| the
grandmothers: fan club talk lp (3) (1983, lp, us, panda 001) |
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| 4 | jimmy
carl black and the mannish boys: a lil'dab'l
do ya (4) (1988, lp, usa, amazing am-1013) - incl.'big leg emma' (frank zappa) |
| 51 | frank zappa: you can't do that on
stage anymore vol.1 (51) (1988, 2cd, usa, ryko) |
| austin
lounge lizards:
highway cafe of the damned (1988, cd, usa, watermelon 1001) - feat. jc black |
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| eugene
chadbourne: chadbourne baptist church (1990, k7, usa, chadbourne products) - feat. jimmy carl black |
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| 57 | frank zappa: you can't do that on
stage anymore vol.4 (57) (1991, 2cd, usa, ryko) |
| the mothers of invention: the ark (1991, cd, usa, rhino foo-eee records r2 70538) |
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| zappa / mothers: 'tis the season to be jelly (1991, cd, usa, rhino foo-eee records r2 70542) |
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| zappa / mothers: electric aunt jemima (1991, cd, usa, rhino foo-eee records r2 71019) |
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| zappa / mothers: our man in nirvana (1991, cd, usa, rhino foo-eee records r2 71022) |
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| henry vestine: guitar
ganster (1991, cd, usa, ??) - feat. jimmy carl black |
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| arthur
brown & jimmy carl black: brown, black & blue (1991, cd, usa, blue wave cd #109) |
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| 58 | frank zappa: you can't do that on
stage anymore vol.5 (58) (1992, 2cd, usa, ryko) |
| jimmy carl black: geronimo black
speaks - 1992 interview (1992, k7, usa, electrik yak 007) = interview for "ptolemaic terrascope |
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| 59 | frank zappa: you can't do that on
stage anymore vol.6 (59) (1992, 2cd, usa, ryko) |
| ant-bee: with my favourite "mothers"
and other bizarre muzik (1992, k7, usa, electrik yak 003) - feat. ex-moi & ex-magic band members |
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| jimmy carl black: geronimo black speaks
again - 1992 interview (1992, k7, usa, electrik yak 008) = interview for "t'mershi duween |
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| the
grandmothers: dreams
on long play (4) (1993, cd, ger, muffin records cdm 002) - feat.jc black |
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| the
grandmothers: a
mother of an anthology (1993, cd, us, one way records ow 28880) = compilation + extra tracks |
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| ant-bee: the *#!%%? of ant-bee - rarities vol.3 (1993, k7, usa, electrik yak records 009) - feat.ex-moi |
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| don
preston: vile foamy ectoplasm (1) (1993, cd, ger, muffin records muffin cdmr 003) - feat. ex-moi and ex-zappa bandmembers |
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| jimmy carl black: speak'n at ya! (1993, k7, usa, electrik yak records letc 3) = a reissue + some additional music |
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| jimmy
carl black and the grandmothers: the / brave combo: skin (1993, 7”flexi, usa, eva-tone soundsheet) |
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| eugene chadbourne: 10 most wanted (1993, k7, usa, chadbourne products) – incl. van vliet and zappa compositions; feat ex-moi |
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| 61 | zappa / mothers: ahead of their time (61) (1993, cd, usa, ryko) |
| the muffin men: say cheese and thank you
(2) (1993, cd, ger, muffin records cd mr 004) – incl. various frank zappa compositions; feat.jimmy carl black |
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| the
grandmothers: who could imagine (5) (1994, cd, nl, munich records netcd 53) - feat. various ex-moi; incl.zappa & beefheart compositions |
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| ant-bee: the bizarre german e.p. (1994, 7", ger, lollipop shop bouncing splash 8) (ps) - feat.ex-moi |
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| ant-bee: with my favorite "vegetables" and other bizarre
music (2) (1994, cd, uk, divine records divine 3) - feat.ex-moi |
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| eugene chadbourne
+ jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: locked in a dutch coffeeshop (1994, cd, uk, fundamental rec) - feat.don preston / incl. van vliet compositions |
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| the muffin men: mülm (3) (1994, cd, ger, muffin records cdmr 012) – incl. various frank zappa compositions; feat. i.willis, jc black |
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| snarfel:
thirty years of andy cahan (1995, cd, usa, hamana records) - feat. various ex-moi |
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| sandro
oliva: who the fuck is sandro oliva ?!? (1995, cd, usa, muffin records mrp015) - feat. various ex-moi; incl.'mr.green genes' (frank zappa) |
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| ant-bee: lunar muzik (3) (1995, cd, uk, divine records divine 20) - feat.ex-moi and ex-zappa bandmembers |
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| eugene
chadbourne & jimmy carl
black: the jack and jim show - pachuco cadaver
(1995, cd, usa, fireant) - incl. various van vliet and zappa compositions |
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| various artists: wavelength infinity (1995, 2cd, usa, ??) - feat.jimmy carl black |
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| farrell & black: cataract jump (1996, cd, ger, fritz records fr 952014-1) – incl. ‘road ladies’ (frank zappa) |
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| jimmy
carl black: when do we get paid (5) (1996, cd, uk, devine records devine 50 cd) |
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| 64 | frank zappa: the lost episodes
(64) (1996, cd, usa, ryko) |
| tom shaka with jimmy carl black and
lars-luis linek: blues magic (1996, cd, usa, ??) |
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| the muffin men: frankincense (5) (1997, cd, eec, muffin records cdmrp 054) – incl. various frank zappa compositions, feat.jimmy carl black |
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| eugene chadbourne: chadbourne barber shop (1997, k7, usa, chadbourne) - feat. jimmy carl black |
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| the muffin men: muffinz (6) (1998, cd, eec, muffin records cd-056) – incl. various frank zappa and one van vliet composition, feat.jc black |
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| 67 | frank zappa: mystery disc
(67) (1998, cd, usa, ryko) |
| behind
the mirror & jimmy carl black: cockroach albert (1998, cd, ger, placebo) - incl. various frank zappa compositions |
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| the muffin men: god shave the queen (8) (1999, cd, eec, efa 03447-2) – incl.compositions by don van vliet and by frank zappa, feat. jimmy carl black |
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| farrell / black
band: black limousine (1999, cdr, ger, private release) |
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| thana harris: thanatopsis (2000, cd, usa, mastahna records) - feat.ex-moi and ex-zappa bandmembers |
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| eugene chadbourne
& jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: uncle jimmy's master
plan (2000, cdr, usa, chadbourne) - incl. zappa - & van vliet - compositions |
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| jimmy
carl black: drummin' the blues (2000, cdr, ger, inkanish records) - sampler |
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| behind the mirror & jimmy carl black: the
secrets of crater 6 (2000, cdr, ger, private release) |
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| the
grandmothers: eating the astoria (6) (2000, cd, i, obvious music om gm0100) - feat. various ex-moi; incl.zappa compositions |
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| the grandmothers: 20 year anthology of the grandmothers (2001, cdr, ger, private release) - anthology |
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| the
grandmothers: the eternal question (2001, cdr, ger, private release) - feat. various ex-moi; incl.zappa compositions |
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| sandro oliva &
jimmy carl black: junk food (2001, cdr, italy, private release) - incl. various frank zappa compositions |
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| eugene chadbourne
& jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: the early years (2001, cdr, ger, inkanish records) - incl. various van vliet & zappa compositions |
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| the route66 all-star's: live
all-star's (2001, cdr, ger, inkanish) - feat. jimmy carl black |
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| 5 | jimmy
carl black and the x-tra combo: mercedes benz (2001, cdr, ger, private release) - incl. various zappa compositions |
| eugene chadbourne &
jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show - reflections and experiences
of jimi hendrix (2001, cdr, ger, inkanish records) - incl 'hey punk' (f.zappa) |
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| various
artists: eyeinhand sampler volume
1 (2001, cd, spain, vaso music vm 032) - all zappa related artists |
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| jimmy
carl black: where's the &% beer? (2002, cdr, ger, inkanish records ir005) - incl.various van vliet compositions |
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| eugene chadbourne
& jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: the perfect c&w
duo's (2002, cdr, ger, inkanish records) |
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| eugene chadbourne & jimmy
carl black: the jack and jim show: taste of the leftovers (2002, cdr, ger, inkanish records) - incl.various zappa compositions |
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| eugene chadbourne &
jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show - 2001: a spaced odyssey (2002, cdr, ger, inkanish records) - incl.various van vliet compositions |
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| the route66 all-star's:
more live all-star's, ravensburg 02/02/02 (2002, cdr, ger, inkanish records) - feat. jimmy carl black |
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| junior franklin
and the golden echo's: live at
kut radio - june 26, 1984 (2002, cdr, ger, inkanish records) - feat.jimmy carl black |
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| eugene chadbourne &
jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: reflections of jimi hendrix
- jimi 2 (2002, cdr, ger, inkanish records) - incl. 'hey punk' (f.zappa) |
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| eugene chadbourne
& jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show - sampler (2002, cdr, ger, inkanish records) - incl. van vliet & zappa compositions |
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| b.e.p.: hamburger midnight (2002, cd, ger, inkanish records ir 0003) = jimmy carl black & roy estrada |
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| eugene chadbourne:
don't burn the flag, let's burn the bush (2002, cdr, usa, chadbourne) - incl. zappa & van vliet compositions, feat. jimmy carl black |
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| various artists:
zappanale 13 (2003, 3cd, ger, arf society) – incl. various artists playing frank zappa compositions |
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| the
muffin men: live@thecavern (12) (2003, cd, uk, private release mmcd 13/1) – incl.compositions by don van vliet and by frank zappa, feat. jc black |
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| the muffin men: baker's dozen (2003, cd, uk, private release mmcd 13/2) - incl.various frank zappa compositions, feat. zappa alumni |
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| various artists:
zappanale # 13 (2003, cd, ger, arf society) – incl. various artists playing frank zappa compositions |
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| eugene chadbourne
& jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: live ceder
cultural center (2003, cdr, ger, inkanish records) - incl. van vliet & zappa compositions |
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| eugene chadbourne
& jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: the 7th street
entry nightshift (2003, cdr, ger, inkanish records) - incl. van vliet & zappa compositions |
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| jimmy carl black: jimmy carl black plays the music of frank
zappa (2003, cdr, ger, inkanish) |
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| eugene chadbourne and jimmy carl black: the jack and
jim show: jack and jim play the music of frank zappa (2003, cdr, ger, inkanish) |
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| eugene chadbourne and jimmy carl black: the jack and
jim show: jack and jim play the music of captain beefheart (2003, cdr, ger, inkanish) |
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| eugene chadbourne and
jimmy carl black: live at the zappanalle #14 (2003, cdr, ger, inkanish) - incl. van vliet & zappa compositions / feat. mike keneally, martin smith & andy frizell |
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| cosmik
debris band: the
insel pepsi festival (2003, cdr, germany, inkanish) - all compositions by frank zappa; feat.jimmy carl black |
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| various artists:
frank you, thank! vol.2 (2003, cd, i, il popolo del blues) – feat.various artists playing frank zappa compositions |
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| various artists:
zappanale 14 - 2003 (2004, 3cd, ger, arf society) – incl. various artists playing frank zappa compositions |
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| 72 | frank zappa: joe's corsage (72) (2004, cd, usa, vaulternative records) |
| eugene chadbourne and jimmy carl black:
the jack and jim show: we'll be together again (2004, 2cdr, usa, chadbourne products) - incl.van vliet & zappa compositions |
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| sandro oliva: heavy lightning (2004, cdr, i, private release) - feat. various ex-moi; incl.zappa compositions |
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| ella guru: the first album (2004, cd, uk, banana records - banana 2) - feat. jimmy carl black |
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| various
artists:
zappanale 14 - retrospective (2004, dvd, ger, the arf society) - feat. various artists playing frank zappa compositions |
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| blind
riders on mad horses: roland kirk memorial barbecue (2005, cd, ger, rockwerk records) - feat.jimmy carl black ; incl.'willie the pimp' (frank zappa) |
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| boogie stuff:
have mercy! (2005, cd, ger, sky 14129) - feat.jimmy carl black |
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| micky jones with ?
and the muffinmen: s/t (2005, cd, uk, gpcd004) - feat.the muffin men and j.c.black, incl 'willie the pimp' & 'king kong' (frank zappa) |
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the muffin men: muffinz moovies vol.one
(1990-1997) (2005, dvd, uk, private release) - incl.various frank zappa compositions, feat. zappa alumni |
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| the muffin
men: live in the kitchen of love (2006, cd, uk, ark-hive 931) - incl. various frank zappa compositions, feat. j.c.black |
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| frank zappa: the mofo project/object (77) (2006, 2cd, usa, zappa records) |
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| frank zappa: the mofo project/object (78) (2006, 4cd, usa, zappa records) |
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| jimmy carl black:
when do we get paid? (2007, cd, usa, crossfire) - feat. don preston, walt & tom fowler |
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| the jimmy carl black
band: how blue can you get? (2007, cdr, ger, private release) - feat. roddie gilliard |
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| black,
pini, and jesdinsky: live in steinbach (2007, cdr, ger, private release) |
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| don
preston: vile foamy ectoplasm (2007, cd, usa, crossfire publications) - feat. frank zappa, ex-moi and ex-zappa bandmembers |
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| bunk
gardner: it's all bunk! (2007, cd, usa, crossfire publications) - feat. various ex-moi |
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| the
muffin men: muffinz moovies vol.two (1998-2003) (2007, dvd, uk, private release) - incl.various frank zappa compositions, feat. zappa alumni |
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| eugene chadbourne
and jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: live at teatro
fondemente nuove (2007, 2cdr, germany, private release) - incl.van vliet & zappa compositions |
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| eugene chadbourne
and jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: hearing is believing (2007, cdr, germany, private release) - incl.van vliet & zappa compositions |
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| eugene chadbourne
and jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: live in pula,
croatia (2007, cdr, germany, private release) - incl.van vliet & zappa compositions |
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| the
grandmothers: boulder theatre – us tour, 2000 (200?, 2cdr, italy, obvious music) - feat.j.c.black, don preston, bunk gardner |
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| jimmy carl black: where’s the $%&§#@’ beer? (2007, cd, usa, crossfire publications 9508-2) - feat.various mothers of invention |
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| jon
larsen: strange news from mars (2007, cd, sweden, zonic entertainment) - feat.various ex-zappa bandmembers |
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| jos steen: black
brown stone (2007, cdr, belgium, private release - sojneets 29) - feat.jimmy carl black, incl. 'hot rats' (=willie the pimp) (frank zappa) |
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| jon
larsen: the unabbreviated session with jimmy carl black (2007, download, sweden, hot club records hcrcd217) - feat.jimmy carl black & tommy mars |
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| eugene chadbourne
and jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: 2001: a spaced
odyssey, rotterdam, holland, september 9, 2001 (2007, dvdr, usa, modern alchemy 01) - incl. various van vliet & zappa compositions |
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| eugene chadbourne
and jimmy carl black: the jack and jim show: live at the stone,
nyc 2007 (2007, dvdr, usa, modern alchemy 02) - incl. various van vliet & zappa compositions |
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| the grandmothers: smell
of the leftovers (200?, cdr, i, ??) *** scheduled release on sandro oliva's label *** |
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| the grandmothers: a
little bit of the chef (200?, cdr, i, ??) *** scheduled release on sandro oliva's label *** |
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| holzhaus, black and teresas: i just got in from texas (????, ??, ??) - feat.jimmy carl black |
concerts & sessions
1979 - on tour with big sonny & the lo boys
1986 / 1987 - the black & blues
1995 - on tour with eugene chadbourne as the "jack & jim show"
1997/08/31 concert saarbrücken, germany (blues rock trio)
1998 - on tour with the grandmothers
1999 - on tour with richard farrell as "farrell & black"
2003/07/25 "zappanale no.14", in bad doberan, germany, organised by the arf society
2007/09/29 Eugene Chadbourne & Jimmy Carl Black // Bogus Pomp - concert "Emit Series"
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