5, 1971, John Lennon and Yoko Ono sat in with The Mothers.
|john & yoko /
plastic ono band: sometime in new york city
(1972, 2lp, uk, apple) - feat. zappa & mothers
|john lennon: john lennon
(1978, 9lp-box, uk, jlb 8) – incl. the "sometime in new york city" album
lennon: live in new york city
(1986, cd, usa, capital records)
|60||frank zappa: playground psychotics
(1992, 2cd, usa, ryko)
born oct. 9th, 1940 - killed dec. 8th, 1980
born feb. 18th, 1933
is no place to go into the life and times of john lennon or yono ono, there are
thousands of other good sources for that. the
main thing here is to recognize the event that occurred on saturday, june 5th
1971, when john lennon and yoko ono sat in with the mothers.
the resulting air sculpture was released the following year on the lennon
album "sometime in new york city", and then again in 1992 on the zappa
album playground psychotics.
from: fz's liner notes to playground psychotics
of you might have heard another version of this material on the john & yoko
album "sometime in new york city", when they sat in with us that
night, we were in the process of recording the "live at the fillmore east,
june 1971" album, and all of this insanity was captured on tape. after the
show, john and i agreed we would each put out our own version of the
performance, and i gave him a copy of the 16 track master tape. here is our
european guy interviews frank zappa - 1984
by evilbob from frank zappa interview picture disc.
i would like to ask you 2 questions: one is... on "sometime in new
york city", the john lennon and yoko ono?
what about it?
what was it? how did it come about and all that?
the day before the show, a journalist in new york city woke me up - knocked
door and is standing there
with a tape recorder and goes: "frank,
i'd like to introduce you to john lennon,"
you know, waiting for me
to gasp and fall on the floor and i said "well,
ok. come on in." and we sat around and talked, and i think the first
thing he said to me was
"you're not as ugly as i thought you would be." so anyway, i thought
he had a pretty good sense of humor so i invited him to come down and jam with
us at the fillmore east. we had already booked in a recording truck because we were making the
"live at the fillmore" album at the time.
after they had sat in with us, an arrangement was made that we would both
have access to the tapes. he
release it with his mix and i had the right to release it with my mix -
so that's how that one section came about. the bad part is,
there's a song that i wrote called "king kong"
which we played
that night, and i don't know
whether it was yoko's idea or john's idea but they changed the name
"jam rag", gave themselves writing and publishing credit on it,
stuck it on an album and never paid me. it
was obviously not a jam session song - its
got a melody, its
got a bass line, it's obviously an
organized song - little bit disappointing. i've never released my version of the
mixes of that night.
do you ever intend to?
one day yeah - but it would be drastically different because there were
things that were edited out of their version
words that were being sung
that were removed because of the editorial slant that they wanted to apply to the material
and i have
a slightly different
viewpoint on it.
from: biffyshrew (email@example.com)
you know that fillmore east: june 1971 was originally intended to be a double
set, with a version of "billy the mountain" and the john & yoko
encore jam on the second disc? foot-dragging
by lennon and his manager (allen klein) caused zappa to say the hell with it,
let lennon put out the jam himself, and save "billy the mountain" for
from: jon naurin (firstname.lastname@example.org_remove_to_reply)
and this 2nd disc also reached the test pressing stage which somehow got into
the hands of bootleggers. "studebaker hoch"/"don't fuck
around" from "randomonium" (mystery box) is from this unreleased
disc, and parts of it ended up on "apocrypha" too. copies of the whole
disc have not been widely spread though.
one of fe disc two consists of a long "king kong" jam, which i don't
think is the one with lennon (no eternities with yoko at least). "billy the
mountain" is not present in its entirety, but most of side two is taken up
by "studebaker hoch"/"don't fuck around" and extended
from: email@example.com (fred h. banta)
the guitar obnoxiously feeding back as she delivers her performance? was this
intentional? more aafnraa?
from: biffyshrew (firstname.lastname@example.org)
in case it isn't clear, that's lennon's guitar, not zappa's.
it was kind of standard procedure for jl to do feedback drones--even
walking away with the guitar leaning on the amp--while yoko was singing.
compare "cambridge 1969" on the newly reissued _life with the
lions_, or "john, john (let's hope for peace)" on _live peace in
from: chris roe (email@example.com)
& yoko did a hack job with that material. they tried to edit out flo &
eddies vocals on scum bag & took credit for all the material. doesn't even
sound mixed at all.on one of the insert covers,they had the fillmore lp cover w/
scratch marks & scribbled their own junk on there.what a bunch o' chumps
from: firstname.lastname@example.org (bill shoemaker)
to mention having klaus voormann re-dub the bass, adding a ton of echo (though i
suspect that was phil spector's doing), and removing the audience shouting
"get her off!" at yoko.
anyone who might've heard the original bootleg or seen the bootleg video
(neither of which i've seen/heard), know how well frank did on his version (on
"playground psychotics")? there's
some stuff on lennon's version left out of frank's, and i was wondering if there
was anything important performed that didn't make it onto either version.
have the video and the only thing that is missing from both versions is a bit of
jamming in "well (baby please don't go)".
version has a fade out in the middle of "well", where it crossfades
into the improv right after the meltdown of "well". (this improv is
also known as "say please".) afterwards, the entire performance is
intact. zappa's version is shorter, but is much better. it has a jam edited out
of the middle of "well". the meltdown connecting "well" and
"say please" has been edited out and the tracks segue. the main theme
to "king kong" has been removed, so the end of "say please"
edits right into the "king kong" keyboard solo ("awwwk") .
from that point on, the performance is intact.
should also mention that the introduction is edited differently on both
is the most complete, but it was butchered by phil spector, with possible help
from john and yoko. also, yoko was insecure about the performance. she was
heckled by the audience and teased by flo & eddie. flo & eddie were
removed from lennon's mix, as well as don preston. and jim pons's bass was
replaced. then a nice layer of echo was laid right on top. a disgrace.
mix is only for completists. zappa's mix is far superior.
from: patrick neve (email@example.com)
you probably know there is a video document of this event.
more information on that please see:
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a john lennon tape for auction on which he plays frank zappa's "jelly roll
gum drop" together with his daughter kyoko. want to know more, go to
previously unheard tapes of John Lennon telling stories, nursery rhymes and
improvising songs are expected to fetch £70,000 at auction.
80-minute tapes were recorded in 1969 and 1970 and display for the first time
the bond between Lennon and Yoko Ono's daughter, Kyoko.
one of the tapes, which will be auctioned on Tuesday by Christie's in London,
Lennon is heard singing "Oh Yoko" from the 1971 hit album Imagine.
also joins Yoko for the 1966 chart-topper "Yellow Submarine" and also
improvises blues, folk and funk guitar riffs.
is then heard accompanying Kyoko in an unlikely rendition of Frank Zappa's
"Jelly Roll Gum Drop".
also reveals a previously undocumented talent for penning children's ditties,
including a touching one addressed to his own son Julian.
second tape features Lennon and Kyoko playing the acoustic guitars of Tony Cox,
Yoko's ex-husband. Ono and Mr Cox can be heard making occasional interjections.
sale also includes another unheard tape, recorded by Lennon at home in 1966 as
he develops the lyrics and melody for "She Said, She Said", from the
Beatles' Revolver album, released later that year.
rare seven-inch acetate, "Don't Worry Kyoko", on the Apple label,
recorded by Yoko in Queen Charlotte's Hospital for her daughter in 1968, should
fetch up to £12,000, says The Independent.
the same sale, a pewter tankard and a metal cigarette lighter Lennon gave to his
Liverpool flatmate Rod Murray instead of rent money early in 1960 are expected
to fetch up to £3,000.
filed: 09:22 Saturday 27th April 2002
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